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Let's have a show of hands - Who supports the IFP (dev-tax)?

Or, more importantly, who is against it? It seems to me that almost the entire community is against this major change but it would be good if this is made clear in one place. It seems also that most of the people against this are well-known OG bitcoiners.
If you are against the current proposal as outlined by BitcoinABC HERE please make a top-level comment below (i.e. not a reply to another comment) stating:
Against IFP
If you run a BCH business, piece of infrastructure or project please add:
- from [INSERT PROJECT NAME]
I will add all names to a list below.
It is important to know this as this is what BCH is potentially set to lose should this go through. My hope is that if miners can see how much of the ecosystem is against this then they will reconsider.

Businesses, Infrastructure, Projects & Institutions

Developers

Individuals

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They know everything about BCH!

They know everything about BCH!
Today I invited the four major development teams of BCH and the development team of BCH fundraising tool Flipstarter.

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Question 1: This year is a year of DEFI explosion. What is the current situation of BCH's DEFI?
Flipstarter: The development of BCH can use the tool Flipstarter to obtain development funds. BCH will also have more and more smart contracts to provide more functions for the BCH public chain. We provide the AnyHedge protocol, which allows users to generate trustless, non-custodial financial derivatives on BCH.
BCHD: There is a big difference between Defi on Ethereum and Defi on BDH. On Ethereum, you actually send the token to the escrow agreement, and you will lose control of the token. On BCH, there is no need to trust or entrust any third party or third party agreement. Ethereum is a hosted Defi solution, and what Flipstarter will do is a non-custodial solution.
Flipstarter: The BCH script system has been extended to make complex smart contracts possible, and it works differently from Ethereum contracts. We believe that in the long run, UTXO-based contracts will have more advantages.
Follow-up: Why do you think UTXO-based contracts will have more advantages?
Flipstarter: Compared with Ethereum's huge, centralized smart contracts, BCH is a combination of a small number of people and many contracts, which are hashed and stored on the chain. Privacy is guaranteed to a large extent. After opening, you don't know that it is a contract. Because of privacy, security is guaranteed, and it is easier to upgrade.
Question 2: It is said that the BCH development team is too scattered, which will affect the development progress and efficiency. What do the teams think about this issue?
Verde: Having multiple development teams can improve the stability of the agreement. Due to a single code base, Bitcoin's multiple errors have become part of the protocol, and the diversity of development can ensure that these differences are captured and they are not inadvertently entered into the protocol.
In addition, the use of nodes in different languages can broaden the range of development talents. Not everyone likes C language or JAVA or GO. Therefore, the use of multiple computer assembly languages can increase the available talent pool.
Question 3: For Flipstarter, who pays the developers in the end?
Little P: Many communities have contributed different models before, and each method has successfully raised a lot of money. BCH has many invisible supporters, ROGER is a Giant whale, but there are other well-known BCH investors, such as MIKE KOMARANKSY and MARC DE MESEL.
Many developers are very supportive of BCH, so their salary requirements are also very reasonable. Development teams with reasonable requirements, including Giant whale of BCH, are willing to continue to support and make additional investments when there is progress.
The source of Flipstarter is a financing platform made by the EatBCH project, allowing the community to donate BCH to people in poor areas of the world.
BCHD: BCHD works with other teams to develop advanced features and hopes to stimulate people's interest in new technologies such as Neutrino wallet and UTXO contracts. Our goal is to improve BCH as a whole to meet the needs of the ecosystem.
BCHD is fortunate to have more contributors than other flipstarters. Not only a few people provided funding, but the entire BCH community united to support our efforts. We are very grateful for this!
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BCHN: After Flipstarter's fundraising this time, we realized that there are indeed many senior talents, as long as you can tell them what you want to do. Those claims about the difficulty of fundraising on Flipstarter are untrue. But it does require thoughtfulness, planning, good communication, and good ideas.
Flipstarter: We have completed 164 pledge activities, valued at 2039BCH (approximately US$510,000). 100% of Flipstarter's donations are voluntary. We created Flipstarter, a technical tool, and encouraged others to also create a platform and use it to build a business.
You can learn more here: https://read.cash/@flipstarte-7e53d0e7
Knuth: At Knuth, we adapted the Flipstarter page to fund our future development. You can see the preliminary version of our new campaign: http://campaigns.kth.cash/
Question 4: How does BCH view POW and POS? Will you stick to POW?
BCHN: In the foreseeable future, the BCH team will stick to POW.
BCHD: The profit model of POW and POS is very different. BCHD believes that the profit model of POW cannot be replaced by other models, and POW has more advantages than other systems.
Verde: You can watch our developer conference on YouTube. I have not heard of any plans to switch to POS. I think PoW is a principle we will adhere to, even if it is a minority on the public chain.
Knuth: I have no answer. But all stakeholders need to agree on any change of this magnitude to make it happen.
Flipstarter: https://read.cash/@flipstarteflipstarter-286c252e Here we discuss the working principle of Flipstarter and why it is safe.
Question 5: Does BCH have plans to cooperate with other Internet giants now?
BCHN: Bitcoin.com is cooperating with BRAVE browser. In this regard, ROGER is very capable, their wallets are cooperating with Huawei's new mobile phones.
Verde: Ohio, Dublin and other local governments are using BCH for their digital identity and token systems. We also discussed with a large retailer how to use BCH SLP to get rewards.
Little P: This is far away from developers at the protocol level, but there is more cooperation at the application level. Similar to VERDE, they use the BCH protocol to develop an ID card system with the local government and register on the chain.
Question 6: BTC has lightning network and side chain technology. BSV has gone further on the road of capacity expansion. How can BCH build its own advantages and competitiveness in the future?
BCHN: Many people think that all the problems of Lightning Network and Big Block technologies can be easily solved. Actually not, the Lightning Network is actually difficult to use, let alone side chains. BSV increases the block size, but the chain is unstable, and users cannot increase much. After all, adding some dispensable photos or videos does not have that big impact on the value. BCH should expand steadily while developing business needs.
Little P: BSV has not resolved the 25tx limit, BCH has reached 50, and there will be more in the later period, but the CORE source code leaves us with too many problems and we have to solve them one by one.
BCHD: BCH expansion is to increase capacity without sacrificing decentralization. The goal is above the demand, this is the premise. I think that while BCH can expand on the chain, layer2 is also considered. But the key is not to sacrifice on-chain expansion, and not to force users to trade on LAYER2, causing the main chain to become invalid.
Flipstarter: There are many people who believe in BCH. They have been working on BCH since the establishment of BTC. Other cryptocurrencies can do other things, but BCH clearly wants to be the best P2P cash.
Question 7: Does the Bitmain internal fight have any impact on BCH?
Little P: I don't think so, I am also a miner. In terms of computing power, many miners actually support BCH. And Bitmain has maintained a neutral attitude for many years, because they will eventually need to go public and be profit-oriented.
BCHN: On BCH, investors and developers are diverse. Activities like today can be organized more in the future. Let everyone understand that Bitmain is not the only one in the BCH ecosystem. Of course Bitmain has contributed to BCH, and we are also grateful for it.
Question 8: Are there any well-known applications developed based on BCH?
Flipstarter: This is a DeFi product developed by our General Protocols
https://anyhedge.com/how-it-works/#simulator
BCHD: BCH can now achieve the scale of PAYPAL. Our goal is to focus on market demand to ensure decentralization, which includes new research and development: GRAPHENE, BOBTAIL, etc.
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We must become organised to stop a corruption of the BCH protocol

Yesterday BitcoinABC released version 0.21 of their client. In this release a consensus rule is included that requires all BCH miners to pay 5% of their block subsidy and 5% of the fees they receive to a set of up to 4 BCH addresses. These addresses are controlled by:
This significant change in the protocol is to be activated using a BIP9 method. It will activate when at least 66% of 2016 blocks are produced by miners running their new release. There is no end date for the tax once it has been activated, so it will go on indefinitely unless manually removed with another hardfork.
This is occurring in the context of an almost unanimous opposition by the BCH ecosystem of businesses, miners, projects and users. This is something that they are fully aware of and have decided to ignore and push ahead anyway.
While it is of course true that the community needs to make sure there is sufficient funding for the projects within the BCH ecosystem that deserve it, and that the funding is provided voluntarily, there are currently numerous efforts under way to create software that makes this as simple as possible. For example, Flipstarter, U-DID, , and pool Donations. There is also a significant amount of will in the community to provide funding if sensible and concrete proposals are put forward.
This change is not only a fundamental change to the properties of Bitcoin as described in the original whitepaper, but has the high likelihood of causing a major split if the entire ecosystem does not work towards stopping it from happening.
Many of us are now organising an effort to oppose this fundamental change. We need as much of the ecosystem as possible to put their effort into stopping this if you don't want this to happen, so please join us at:

t.me/notaxBCH

In the interest of showing again just how much of the ecosystem is against this change I have added the list again below.

Businesses, Infrastructure, Projects & Institutions

Developers

Individuals

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Compiled list of BCH Miner Dev Fund posts, articles, discussions

The BCH Miner Dev Fund has proven to be a huge topic in this community over the past week. There has been tons of discussions on it. Here is an attempt to compile some of the more relevant posts and discussions over the past several days into one post for reference. Obviously some of this will be overlapping and I know I will miss some posts so if I missed something major, just link to it in the comments so I can update this list. These are in no particular order.
Original proposal
Archived link
Reddit post
AMA
Mega Thread
Mega Thread with compiled posts up to that point
Bitcoin.com's Clarifications on the Miner Development Fund
Bitcoin.com Update on Developer Funding
Amaury Sechet: On the infrastructure funding plan for Bitcoin Cash
Assessment and proposal re: the Bitcoin Cash infrastructure funding situation
Fyookball: Little Known (But Important!) Facts About the Mining Plan
Mengerian: My View on the Miner Infrastructure Funding Plan
The Best Of Intentions: The Dev Tax Is Intended to Benefit Investors But Will Corrupt Us Instead
Bitcoin Unlimited's BUIP 143: Refuse the Coinbase Tax
We are a group of miners opposing the BTC.TOP proposal, here's why
We are a group of miners opposing the BTC.TOP proposal, and we have an update on our earlier post
Bitcoin Verde's Response to the Miner Sponsored Development Fund
Zander: Mythbusting: We need a developer-fund
Vitalik: BCH, a chain that was born as a reaction to an ideology that claims that soft forks are the only legitimate way to make changes because they are "voluntary" is.... making a controversial soft fork and insinuating that it's voluntary"
I don’t agree with the statement in the AMA that developers will set the agenda.
The consensus mechanism is fine, the proposal needs improvement
Vin Armani: "My intuition is that not only will this cartel initiative go as planned, but that it will result in solid price gains for BCH and go down as one of the most important innovations in Bitcoin. Voluntary, time-constrained, free market solution to one of Bitcoin's greatest problems."
Sploit: On This Mess
Pokkst: BCH Dev Fund: My Thoughts
Emin Gun Sirer on the funding plan
For me one thing has changed: A HK-based company will be now in charge of 12.5% of all mined coins. What do we do when chinese government (inevitably) starts to control it? How about a smart contract instead?
The community deserves a formal withdraw of the proposed changes by the signatories. The hashwar and split from the proposed change will harm Bitcoin Cash more than the benefits it proposes to give.
The Bitcoin Cash 12.5% Developer Fund Will Lower BCH Network Security as Hashrate Will Leave
Some thoughts & questions on Jiang Zhuo'er's miner funding announcement
Calling it tax is okay
I am a BCH miner and I propose a white list of predefined dev funding addresses that will be updated every 6 months
7 Impolite Thoughts on the Developer Fund
Risk For Bitcoin Cash = Up
Alternative Infrastructure Funding Plan Proposal
Removing centralisation from the dev funding proposal
An open, neutral, borderless cash protocol should not have a privileged account that gives a central entity the ability to extract money from the protocol. [Read]
"What happens if the powerful miners decide to increase the 21 million limit?"
Miners that don't donate would incur a 12.5% handicap
Remind me again why a simple transparent Crowdfunding contribution address run by a few parties who are regularly audited wouldn’t solve the dev funding problem in a decentralized manner overnight? I would contribute monthly.
BCH Dev Fund: Why Not Crowdfund?
Here is the absolute right way to fund developers
Why not keep things simple and just use a multisig address?
They say the miners' tax will be given to the "good guys."
From a BCH security perspective, users are far more important than hashpower. If BCH is still only doing 0.3 TPS ten years from now, BCH will be worth a very tiny fraction of today's $330 price. The Dev Fund has many obvious concerns, but so does doing nothing.
Chris Pacia: The 253rd "Thoughts on developer funding" Article
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